In June of 2020 and again in October 2021, Matt Devost spoke to former Air Force pilot John Robb. John has worked successfully in a variety of domains, including the special operations community, as an industry analyst, successful start-up founder, and national security expert. This conversation cover topics such as the early history of the commercial internet, frameworks for organizing information in fast-moving environments, network tribalism, decision-making during the pandemic, and the emerging threat environment.