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In this OODACast, Matt talks with Chris Butler about how concepts like adversarial thinking can be applied to product design and management. Chris is an exemplar of someone who has excelled in his field but also looks to study and bring disruptive ideas like randomness and future framing from other disciplines to determine their value and applicability in product management. As it turns out, he’s a big fan of John Boyd’s OODA Loop and even made a trip to the Boyd archives where he discovered that Boyd was a fan of a certain science fiction book.